Can Someone Explain Depth to Me? It's OK to Spoil

[Queen Of The Castle]

To clarify, these are Stana's quotes from that article, removing the nonsense that the writer added in:

"The Castle character has always been something of a cad - very funny, very charming, but as soon as the question of more depth comes up, he bounces,"

"I wonder if that's going to be enough for the Beckett character. She's starting to think of him as a future husband, a possible father. She's complex and loving and twisted and all of the wonderful contradictions I think almost every woman is. I think a woman like that is going to demand a partner and a lover with depth as well."

[catluver]

Nov 16, 2012 12:23:19 GMT -5 Queen Of The Castle said:

Stana didn't actually say that. She said that "when the question of more depth (ie: the serious stuff and the tough stuff) comes up, he bounces" and wondered if that would be enough for Beckett.

She also said that Beckett is the type who would want depth in her partner just as she has depth. She never criticized Castle as not having enough depth.

As their relationship progresses, each of them are going to have to deal with the tough things and cement their commitment. Castle has done well so far but he hasn't really dealt with any major "cut and run" kind of situations where he has to deal with something difficult with or about Beckett that may force him to do what he's done in the past.

Not that he's to blame for it, but he's typically ducked out when things got tough. With Demming, he didn't fight for her, he just turned and ran away from the tough stuff. There have been times where Beckett has asked him, pretty much point-blank, what he felt for her and he didn't speak up. He avoided the answers because it would have been a difficult conversation to have at those times. And when her life was in danger because she was still chasing after her mother's killers, he tried to convince her to back down by telling her that he loved her. It was a moving and fantastic moment, yet when she met him with anger instead, still stung by finding out that he had kept her from the truth about Mr. Smith for a year, someone who could give her the answers she so desperately needed all along, he gave up on her completely.

Again, WE all know that there are circumstances behind all of those things, but imagine the impression this has given Beckett without that added knowledge. Every time things get tough, Castle runs and fails to face the challenge head-on.

So yes, it's understandable that Stana would say that Beckett may be wondering if Castle is capable of dealing with those tough moments. What happens when they have their first real fight? Will he just give up and run or will he stay and work it out? She knows that Castle loves her but that hasn't always been enough to keep him around in the past, so she's bound to be wondering if it'll be enough to keep them together no matter the obstacles or tough times they may go through along the way. Will he cut and run at the first sign of trouble or will be prove that he can handle the serious stuff and the commitment necessary to be a one and done?

She definitely wasn't putting Castle down or saying he lacked depth as a character. Rather, will he be able to deal with the types of things he hasn't been able to deal with in the past? He's great when things are fun and everything is going as it should, but will he still be great when times get tough?

This is a great explanation of what Kate might be thinking. I think we just see it from his/our side and don't think how it must look to Kate. Can't wait to see him confront the tough stuff and show her how deeply he is committed and how he will not cut and run any more.

[RG]

Nov 16, 2012 12:29:09 GMT -5 Queen Of The Castle said:

To clarify, these are Stana's quotes from that article, removing the nonsense that the writer added in:

"The Castle character has always been something of a cad - very funny, very charming, but as soon as the question of more depth comes up, he bounces,"

"I wonder if that's going to be enough for the Beckett character. She's starting to think of him as a future husband, a possible father. She's complex and loving and twisted and all of the wonderful contradictions I think almost every woman is. I think a woman like that is going to demand a partner and a lover with depth as well."

Well, I’m glad that’s cleared up. I was surprised to hear that Stana, who is quite possibly more of a ‘shipper’ on the show than AM, would say that. Now we know she didn’t.

It sounds that Kate is aware of much of Castle’s past, yet is seeing beyond all that to the man behind the publicity and see’s him for the true, deep person he is.

Oddly, that does make me feel better. I gotta remember this is just a TV show.

That last part of her answer, about Kate looking for a partner and lover with that depth as well speaks volumes about Kate. We all remember her having ‘one foot out the door’ comment and this explains why all her other relationships didn’t work. I really believe that even if Will hadn’t gone to Boston, the relationship would have ended sooner or later. Castle has been such a HUGE part of her life for more years than they’ve known each other, and he is the only one who has accepted Kate the way she is, not trying to change her or mold her into any preconceived ideal.

It gives me a lot of warm fuzzies for the rest of the season. ;D

So, its not really about depth, its about Castle's past record. That is the question at hand. I suspect that Castle will struggle with this. That being said, if we are to assume that E=MC² and The Value of PI is 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510, then we can safely say that all things being equal, Richard Castle will go the distance or suffer the consequences. If you don't want to risk it, you shouldn't be in it. Its that Ying that Kate is looking for to fit her Yang. I think I understand now. Rick's actions are being closely watched to make sure that they speak louder than his words. I want to feel it, I know Kate does too. She doesn't want to feel insecure about the relationship and the man she loves. She doesn't want any more "Hampton Tour Flashbacks". This is what Kate is looking for. It was never the books, the money or the writer. It was all about the man.

Is she going to feel safe and protected or looking in from the outside like Gina. Its a big thing. You know Kate; and it's never easy or never clear, who's to navigate or who's gonna steer. She is looking for the give and take needed for a successful relationship. She is going to lay it all on the line. She wants the future, the husband, the kids, the growing old, etc. She wants to know that there is life after being a Cop. She needs to know there are better things ahead and someone who wants to share it with her. Someone who won't walk away and hide. Both are so used to going their own way. And there is so much adjusting and things that need to be learned about each other. Hell, They have to learn how to fight.

But she wants to be taken care of and she needs to know when she doesn't see eye to eye that he won't shut her out. The Limey episode was the perfect example of that. The only way we will know is when she can say "I Love You".

We can't defend Castle on this one, because we are talking about her point of view. So we watch and hope he is who he says he is. I NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT CASTLE'S POINT OF VIEW. IT IS CRUCIAL FOR THE SHOW.

My guess is, things will continue to reveal themselves and he will prove beyond a doubt that he can be what she needs and be the one and done. If not, it could be an interesting summer and season premier as 6 unfolds.

Hills and Valleys; They get you to level ground. Kate made a major breakthrough when she believed him in Probable Cause. It's Castle's turn now.

Thanks to RG and The Queen.