Disproving Meredith

[TVAnne]

Thought I start a thread where we could debate Meredith's jab that Rick didn't share information about himself.

I recently rewatched season 2, and in pretty much every episode Castle shares something with Kate. "A Rose Foreverafter" is nothing but a sharefest with Kate.

What other examples jump to mind for you?

[Shutterbug5269]

Pandora. Rick told Kate he would answer any question Kate had about his relationship with Sophia Turner. She also got a ringside seat for his feelings about not knowing who his father was in Linchpin.

Rick would tell Kate anything she wants to know. All she has to do is ask.

I posted this in the TV Fanatic review as well:

Castle has spent the last four years or so trying to figure Kate out, whereas she has simply made asumptions based on his public image.

Now it's her turn to do the same and actually invest the time to finally get to know who he really is, as opposed to who she assumes he is.

I'm looking forward to her putting in the time to actually do this, and I certainly hope this does not turn into an excuse for her to pull away.

[brenwilliams]

Great idea for this topic!

I still say Meredith sort of invented a reason that made her look (and feel) like a winner. Let's face it, she's completely ignoring her affair, and who walks from an otherwise great relationship, plus a small child, for such a stupid reason? Part of my rationale for this line of thought was the recent interview ProudTVJunkie had with Darby Stanchfield, for those wanting more info.

[motowncf]

Final Nail.
Rick shared a lot about his boarding school years with Kate, talked about how he felt as a lonely 14-year-old.

[sassywife]

I think Rick has shared plenty with Kate. I'm not going to lay out all the instances, I think there have been several mentioned so far. Yeah, so maybe she doesn't know everything about him, who does early on in a relationship? Yes, they've been in each other's lives for four years, you can't know everything all at once. Now they are together there are just other layers to peel off and discover about each other.

Look how in "Always", Rick poured his heart out to Kate in their big fight. Is that an example of someone who doesn't share about himself? I don't think so. If he was so emotionally unavailable would he have been such an amazing dad? No. Maybe he didn't share with Meredith because she wasn't listening. She seems to be pretty self absorbed and always has an agenda. She admitted she even had an agenda incoming to "take care of Alexis". She is not altruistic. She is a manipulator, plain and simple. She's so self involved she probably rationalizes her cheating on Rick as her way of connecting with someone since Rick was not available.

I think Kate may have some initial insecurity but I think since she was caught off guard that's sort of expected. But I don't think for one New York minute that she's going to run away. She's more mature and level headed than that. Plus she loves the guy!

I think that AM and Co. have done a great job of presenting a more organic relationship between these two than most shows have done. We are still finding out more about them and learning with them.

[ddcnj]

One other thing to consider - maturity. From the bits we've heard Rick at 40+ is more grounded, more likely to open up than he would have been in his early 20s when he was married to Merrideth. And Kate & Rick aren't 20 somethings rushing into marriage because of a baby. They may each still have walls up but they're crumbling.

[mandier2]

Jan 8, 2013 20:34:37 GMT -5 ddcnj said:

One other thing to consider - maturity. From the bits we've heard Rick at 40+ is more grounded, more likely to open up than he would have been in his early 20s when he was married to Merrideth. And Kate & Rick aren't 20 somethings rushing into marriage because of a baby. They may each still have walls up but they're crumbling.

This is a great point. We don't exactly know WHY Castle and Meredith got married in the first place. My guess is that they HAD to get married. Castle, the kind of guy who makes the best of a bad situation, decides to learn as much as he can about this woman who he's married and is the mother of his child. I do believe that Castle's younger self may have thought this was going to last, and he figured that he needed to make the best of it.

However, I do believe that Castle probably realized at some point that the marriage was not what he thought it would be, and he maybe even realized that it probably wouldn't last. In order to protect himself, he purposely chose not to share personal information with Meredith because he had already become aware of her manipulative ways. He chose to protect himself rather than put himself in a position to get hurt even more.

Castle has spent time sharing a lot about himself with Kate. I do still think he has a lot more to share with her, and I believe he will. What I think Meredith's little speech did was help Kate to see that while she was busy tearing down her own walls, she didn't really stop to see that Castle has some walls of his own. Meredith's speech made her more aware of that fact that she was before, and I do believe that she is going to make more of an effort to try to get him to open up the way she has opened up to him.

[CastleFanGran]

Jan 8, 2013 19:32:44 GMT -5 sassywife said:

I think Rick has shared plenty with Kate. I'm not going to lay out all the instances, I think there have been several mentioned so far. Yeah, so maybe she doesn't know everything about him, who does early on in a relationship? Yes, they've been in each other's lives for four years, you can't know everything all at once. Now they are together there are just other layers to peel off and discover about each other.

Look how in "Always", Rick poured his heart out to Kate in their big fight. Is that an example of someone who doesn't share about himself? I don't think so. If he was so emotionally unavailable would he have been such an amazing dad? No. Maybe he didn't share with Meredith because she wasn't listening. She seems to be pretty self absorbed and always has an agenda. She admitted she even had an agenda incoming to "take care of Alexis". She is not altruistic. She is a manipulator, plain and simple. She's so self involved she probably rationalizes her cheating on Rick as her way of connecting with someone since Rick was not available.

I think Kate may have some initial insecurity but I think since she was caught off guard that's sort of expected. But I don't think for one New York minute that she's going to run away. She's more mature and level headed than that. Plus she loves the guy!

I think that AM and Co. have done a great job of presenting a more organic relationship between these two than most shows have done. We are still finding out more about them and learning with them.

I agree with what you've said and appreciate how you've said it!!!